Tuesday, 21 November 2006

Textbook material

The more I'm reading of Richard Dawkins, the more I learn to admire the guy.
This video is from a recent Q&A session he had in the USA, following a session in which he read from his book "The God Delusion". I'm currently reading the book, which so far is a major page turner.
Anyway, the guy definitely says what I'm saying, only much better... This stuff should be taught in school - preferably replacing most of the 10 years or so I have been forced to learn the bible in school (not that I don't acknowledge the bible's value is an historical piece of literature).

4 comments:

Seven Star Hand said...

Hello Moshe,

Here's my two bits on this intractable debate. Hope you and others can appreciate my efforts to provide a key to a true solution for humanity's seemingly never-ending cycle of struggle and despair.

Analyzing the Creator Debate

Did you ever consider that atheism arose because certain people saw that religious characterizations about the nature of an omnipotent "God" were seriously flawed and then concluded that religion and the Creator were the same things? This is the exact same conclusion at the base of religious beliefs; namely that the Creator and religion are inseparable. Consequently, both atheists and religious followers are arguing over a flawed assumption without considering that other possibilities negate the common core conclusion of both groups. These arguments are actually over religion and whether it represents a reliable model of reality. The answer to this question is of course not. Religion is not only flawed, it is purposely deceptive! Though atheists are certainly sincere in their conclusions, the fact remains that they and religious followers are locked in a debate that cannot be won by either side because both base their positions upon whether the same flawed premise is the truth. In order for this debate to conclude with a truthful answer, a greater level of discernment is required.

One apt clarifying question is, if someone tells lies about you, does that negate you or make you a liar or a lie? Certainly, the image cast about you would be a false one, but that is their image, not the real you. Consequently, faulty religious assertions about the Creator of this universe do not negate the existence of a Creator. Considering the possibility that this universe is not by chance leaves the door open to how it arose, which leads us to seek what could have created and maintained it. Since neither religion nor science has yet adequately answered this question, it is safe to conclude that those who argue about the Creator based on either are most certainly wrong about one or more aspects. Therefore, another point of view and additional knowledge are required.

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Peace...

Moshe Reuveni said...

Welcome to my blog. I'll give you the benefit of doubt and address your comments to the point.
Needless to say, I disagree with you. As an atheist, I don't care much about either god or religion; both are imaginative hypothesis, and that's it. The conventional god we know is an egomaniac, and conventional doctrine based religion is yet another tool for the powerful to preserve and enhance their power.
Your idea of separating god from religion is not that original either. I think Voltaire and Paine came up with this one ages ago.
With regards to the answers that science can provide us, I think it is pretty safe to say that science shows the probability of god's existence, the way we tend to portray the concept (and the way you do as well) is extremely low. Lower than winning to lottery low. And even if such a being exists, it only leads to another question: who created god?
I do agree with one thing: peace.

Seven Star Hand said...

Hi Moshe,

Glad we can agree on peace. Perhaps next we can move on to truth and justice and the balance of wisdom's seven pillars.

Of course the idea of separating the Creator from religion is not an original premise. I have asserted it throughout many well known lifetimes. Why do you think there we're two tables of stone? (hint: A key to a true solution). It is as "Common Sense" as the gravity of a "falling apple" in "relative space-time"...

This lifetime is when I succeed at proving my point...

Peace...

Moshe Reuveni said...

Well than, what can I say other than wish you the best of luck in fulfilling your quest?
Take your time with it, it's better to do a good job than a quick one.